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Cardi B Talks to Joe Biden About Free College, Racism, and Child Care

"If I get elected president, anybody with a family [that makes] less than 125 grand, you're going to get free education."



The November presidential election is only a few months away. And with the electorate gearing up to vote, ELLE's current cover star, rapper Cardi B, is also getting political. For the September 2020 cover story, Cardi interviewed Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden on today's most prominent issues, from racial justice to free college education.

Kicking off the conversation, Cardi launched into a discussion about the urgency of free health care, free college education, and racial equity. "What I want is free Medicare. It's important to have free [health care] because look what is happening right now," she said, adding, "Of course, I think we need free college. And I want Black people to stop getting killed and no justice for it. I'm tired of it. I'm sick of it. I just want laws that are fair to Black citizens and that are fair for cops, too. If you kill somebody who doesn’t have a weapon on them, you go to jail. You know what? If I kill somebody, I've got to go to jail. You gotta go to jail, too. That's what I want."

Biden responded, "There's no reason why we can't have all of that. Presidents have to take responsibility. I understand one of your favorite presidents is Franklin Roosevelt. Roosevelt said the American people can take anything if you tell them the truth. Sometimes the truth is hard. But right now, we're in a position where we have an opportunity to make so much progress. The American public has had the blinders taken off."

The former vice president also talked about why he believes voting matters. "Your generation can own what happens in the next election," he said. "They can change things dramatically if they show up and vote."



Cardi elaborated on the current state of disillusionment from many American youths. "I feel like this country is so hurt, to the point that this year, a lot of people couldn't even celebrate July 4th, because not everybody feels like an American," she said. "A lot of people feel like [they're] not even part of America."

Biden replied, "Absolutely. One of the things that I admire about you is that you keep talking about what I call equity—decency, fairness, and treating people with respect. John Lewis, one of the great civil rights leaders, used to say the vote is the most powerful nonviolent tool you have. Look, I’m a lot older than you, to state the obvious. ... We had the Voting Rights Act and we had the Civil Rights Act. It changed things because people said, 'Oh, my God, that's happening.' [Today], the cell phone has changed America. Because we’re at a point where some brave kid can stand there for a total of 8 minutes and 46 seconds and take a [video] of a Black man [being] brutally murdered. And people around the world were saying, 'My God. This really happens?' And now they're demanding change."

On the issue of free education, Biden later added, "Also, by the way, if I get elected president, anybody with a family [that makes] less than 125 grand, you're going to get free education. And everybody gets free community college."

Biden recently selected Senator Kamala Harris of California to be his running mate.

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